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		<title>By: Viva la Cuba</title>
		<link>http://amerikanbeat.net/2007/11/03/dumbass-wordpress-post-on-cuba/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Viva la Cuba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cuba is great country in many ways ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cuba is great country in many ways <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stossel on Moore&#8217;s Sicko &#171; amerikanbeat</title>
		<link>http://amerikanbeat.net/2007/11/03/dumbass-wordpress-post-on-cuba/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Stossel on Moore&#8217;s Sicko &#171; amerikanbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve written much more generally about the Cuban health care system here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve written much more generally about the Cuban health care system here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: amerikanbeat</title>
		<link>http://amerikanbeat.net/2007/11/03/dumbass-wordpress-post-on-cuba/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>amerikanbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes--as I noted in my response to freethoughts, inches above---the bulk of my critique of Ferrer does not deny or attempt to deny &quot;anything [he] avers.&quot; The intention, instead, is to trivialize it. By analogy: If you opposed a Presidential candidate because he got a B- on a college quiz, I might point out that: He still averaged well across the semester; he still has better grades than his opponents; and all the other candidates got the occasional B too. I would accept your facts but add a context of other omitted facts, in hopes of problematizing the conclusions you want to draw from yours. You can argue that my facts are wrong, or not as relevant as I put forth, but don&#039;t pretend the method is out of line.

&quot;Where your steadfast support for a failed, flawed and inhumane ideology - thinly and disingenuously veiled under the guise of “helping the common people” - blinds you to the absolute reality.&quot;

This is all so weird. (a) My post doesn&#039;t express &quot;steadfast support&quot; for anything, including Cuban health care, nor any particular view at all of &quot;the Cuban leadership&quot; or &quot;the Cuban system&quot; (whatever that means). (b) Even if it did, it isn&#039;t clear what bearing my views, or any particular view, on &quot;the Cuban leadership&quot; would have upon whether Dr. Ferrer misleads on the topic of Cuban health care. Fidel Castro could be an angel or a sonuvabitch and the health care system would remain whatever it is. (Feel free to respond to what I do think of Cuban health care--that is, to the topic of the post you are addressing--anytime.)

I&#039;m writing a new post to address the rest of what you say here, due to the persistence, and danger, of the whole &quot;you can&#039;t say anything about Cuba since you don&#039;t live in Cuba&quot; tack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes&#8211;as I noted in my response to freethoughts, inches above&#8212;the bulk of my critique of Ferrer does not deny or attempt to deny &#8220;anything [he] avers.&#8221; The intention, instead, is to trivialize it. By analogy: If you opposed a Presidential candidate because he got a B- on a college quiz, I might point out that: He still averaged well across the semester; he still has better grades than his opponents; and all the other candidates got the occasional B too. I would accept your facts but add a context of other omitted facts, in hopes of problematizing the conclusions you want to draw from yours. You can argue that my facts are wrong, or not as relevant as I put forth, but don&#8217;t pretend the method is out of line.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where your steadfast support for a failed, flawed and inhumane ideology &#8211; thinly and disingenuously veiled under the guise of “helping the common people” &#8211; blinds you to the absolute reality.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is all so weird. (a) My post doesn&#8217;t express &#8220;steadfast support&#8221; for anything, including Cuban health care, nor any particular view at all of &#8220;the Cuban leadership&#8221; or &#8220;the Cuban system&#8221; (whatever that means). (b) Even if it did, it isn&#8217;t clear what bearing my views, or any particular view, on &#8220;the Cuban leadership&#8221; would have upon whether Dr. Ferrer misleads on the topic of Cuban health care. Fidel Castro could be an angel or a sonuvabitch and the health care system would remain whatever it is. (Feel free to respond to what I do think of Cuban health care&#8211;that is, to the topic of the post you are addressing&#8211;anytime.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m writing a new post to address the rest of what you say here, due to the persistence, and danger, of the whole &#8220;you can&#8217;t say anything about Cuba since you don&#8217;t live in Cuba&#8221; tack.</p>
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		<title>By: Val Prieto</title>
		<link>http://amerikanbeat.net/2007/11/03/dumbass-wordpress-post-on-cuba/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Val Prieto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua,

This post doesnt counter anything Stefania stated or anything Dr. Ferrer avers. What it does is expose you for a complete and total useful idiot. Where your steadfast support for a failed, flawed and inhumane ideology - thinly and disingenuously veiled under the guise of &quot;helping the common people&quot; - blinds you to the absolute reality. 

Of course, you could always prove Cuba&#039;s system&#039;s perfection - first hand -  by relinquishing all your assets and belongings, flying down to your island paradse and make yourself a Cuban citizen. Live like a Cuban in Cuba and not a foreigner for a year or so, then come back and give us your report.

Being a vicarious communist is easy.  Living under communism is a whole other animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua,</p>
<p>This post doesnt counter anything Stefania stated or anything Dr. Ferrer avers. What it does is expose you for a complete and total useful idiot. Where your steadfast support for a failed, flawed and inhumane ideology &#8211; thinly and disingenuously veiled under the guise of &#8220;helping the common people&#8221; &#8211; blinds you to the absolute reality. </p>
<p>Of course, you could always prove Cuba&#8217;s system&#8217;s perfection &#8211; first hand &#8211;  by relinquishing all your assets and belongings, flying down to your island paradse and make yourself a Cuban citizen. Live like a Cuban in Cuba and not a foreigner for a year or so, then come back and give us your report.</p>
<p>Being a vicarious communist is easy.  Living under communism is a whole other animal.</p>
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		<title>By: amerikanbeat</title>
		<link>http://amerikanbeat.net/2007/11/03/dumbass-wordpress-post-on-cuba/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>amerikanbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I didn’t think I “know something [you] don’t know about...cuban healthcare” I wouldn’t have written a post saying that very thing. (The post you just read. The one you’re responding to.)

“Dr. Ferrer worked for years in Cuban hospitals and lives in contact with dozens of patients...He certainly knows more than you about Cuban healthcare.” (1) Yes, he knows more than me about Cuban health care. Who said otherwise? Largely, my post doesn’t dispute his “knowledge” of the subject, but rather his interpretation and contextualization (or lack of it) of those points upon which we both agree. (2) Are you arguing that that anyone who “knows more than [me] about” a subject is incapable ever saying anything incorrect about it? Well, Fidel knows more than me about Cuban health care. Should I take his word for things? There are other Cuban doctors who sharply disagree with Ferrer. They too know more than I do. Are both parties right? Both wrong? This is getting messy quick. Let’s avoid this conundrum by looking for the right view instead of the most credentialed deliverer of a—some, any—view. We’ll avoid your elementary &quot;ad homenim&quot; fallacy to boot.

“Do you know that Darsi was recently victim of a brutal beating by the fascistic castroite militias? I guess u know why.”

Good for me that getting your ass whooped doesn’t make you retroactively right about the Cuban health care system. Miami expats beat up a guy from Pastors for Peace a few years ago. Did that make the Pastor right? If I whooped someone’s ass for thinking the earth was flat, it wouldn’t make the position correct. Might doesn’t make wrong anymore than it makes right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I didn’t think I “know something [you] don’t know about&#8230;cuban healthcare” I wouldn’t have written a post saying that very thing. (The post you just read. The one you’re responding to.)</p>
<p>“Dr. Ferrer worked for years in Cuban hospitals and lives in contact with dozens of patients&#8230;He certainly knows more than you about Cuban healthcare.” (1) Yes, he knows more than me about Cuban health care. Who said otherwise? Largely, my post doesn’t dispute his “knowledge” of the subject, but rather his interpretation and contextualization (or lack of it) of those points upon which we both agree. (2) Are you arguing that that anyone who “knows more than [me] about” a subject is incapable ever saying anything incorrect about it? Well, Fidel knows more than me about Cuban health care. Should I take his word for things? There are other Cuban doctors who sharply disagree with Ferrer. They too know more than I do. Are both parties right? Both wrong? This is getting messy quick. Let’s avoid this conundrum by looking for the right view instead of the most credentialed deliverer of a—some, any—view. We’ll avoid your elementary &#8220;ad homenim&#8221; fallacy to boot.</p>
<p>“Do you know that Darsi was recently victim of a brutal beating by the fascistic castroite militias? I guess u know why.”</p>
<p>Good for me that getting your ass whooped doesn’t make you retroactively right about the Cuban health care system. Miami expats beat up a guy from Pastors for Peace a few years ago. Did that make the Pastor right? If I whooped someone’s ass for thinking the earth was flat, it wouldn’t make the position correct. Might doesn’t make wrong anymore than it makes right.</p>
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		<title>By: freethoughts</title>
		<link>http://amerikanbeat.net/2007/11/03/dumbass-wordpress-post-on-cuba/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>freethoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know something we don&#039;t know about that wonderful cuban healthcare system? Dr. Ferrer worked for years in Cuban hospitals and lives in contact with dozens of patients. It&#039;s the first time these pics came out of a country whose filming of reality can throw one in jail. Do you know that Darsi was recently victim of a brutal beating by the fascistic castroite militias? I guess u know why. He certainly knows more than you about Cuban healthcare. Dumbass is not my post. It&#039;s your response to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know something we don&#8217;t know about that wonderful cuban healthcare system? Dr. Ferrer worked for years in Cuban hospitals and lives in contact with dozens of patients. It&#8217;s the first time these pics came out of a country whose filming of reality can throw one in jail. Do you know that Darsi was recently victim of a brutal beating by the fascistic castroite militias? I guess u know why. He certainly knows more than you about Cuban healthcare. Dumbass is not my post. It&#8217;s your response to it.</p>
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